Once i loved this game... It was like "my first love" :D

Now i hate this game... My first MMO love is bitch now!

I hope that BioWare is doing some SW themed MMO (if not SW, atleast ScFi)... But nothing so far...

Originally posted by Battleskar 

Can we get back to the posts topic and that is trying to make an opinion of what I am seeing in game right now? This thread is not here to bash SOE or any other gamers its simply here to express my right to an opinion of the experience I am having with swg as I wait for Ryzom:) Please if you want to make a reply or post stick with the topic. I would love to hear some opinions from other players who ar now trying the game out or who are currently playing it:P

I made a toon on Bloodfin this morning and saw about 50-60 folks running around Eisley. I checked out quite a few other cantinas and Eisley was the only one happening.  My server Valcyn tho had noone in the cantina and only 6 peeps in Eisley. I am sure you saw alot of people running around but by comparison, in the old days, you could walk into the cantinas in espa, theed, coronet, Mining outpost and many others and see wall to wall folks. I also find the UI the worst part of the game. Obraik and company will tell you there are settings to get your UI back almost 90% to the original UI. It is not enough for me, I want 100% or it is a waste of time.

Hey Obraik did they get Collision Detecting working yet? Did they not promise that would be done within 6 months of the onset of the NGE? Are you still getting shot thru walls by NPCs and unable to shoot back? Are members of your group still getting bumped out of instances or left behind? How many buffs do you need to stack up to be viable in pvp?

people keep ignoring the fact that this game will never be fixed again the devs them self have said they cannot fix it and that the game code is broken so on why you do all keep wanting others to play the game its not that the game is boring or whatever but the fact its broken with 100s of bugs that ruins the gameplay ALOT and wont be fixed ever

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Originally posted by Battleskar

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Originally posted by trueswgvet

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Originally posted by Obraik

"bad guys" because they made a change that you don't like to game?  I don't really think you can class someone as "bad" based on that.

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Bad guys because they sold an expansion and advertised items that they knew were going to be useless in that expansion.
Bad guys because they continued to accept quarterly and yearly renewals knowing that they were making huge changes to the game.
Bad guys because it took reports to the BBB and states AG offices to get them to offer refunds for the expansion.
Bad guys because they just banned people instead of answering questions about the NGE on the forums.
Bad guys because they continue to lie to current players about how bad the population is.
 

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Can we get back to the posts topic and that is trying to make an opinion of what I am seeing in game right now? This thread is not here to bash SOE or any other gamers its simply here to express my right to an opinion of the experience I am having with swg as I wait for Ryzom:) Please if you want to make a reply or post stick with the topic. I would love to hear some opinions from other players who ar now trying the game out or who are currently playing it:P

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This led me to sorta defend him, saying it was his true opinion, and saying how it was odd that he defends bad people who have done bad things, which led him to mischaraterize the discussion (his usual tactic) which led me to correct him, which led mal into the discussion showing he doesn't care about ethics, or has a very odd view of them, or is just trolling. It is truly impossible to determine which, where he is concerned. But no matter.

Everyone here is simply sharing their opinion about the topic you began. Everyone is exercising their freedom. This is how threads, and conversations, usually go on public forums.

If you state a controversial opinion on a public forum, you should expect as much.

But as I said earlier, yes, Bloodfin is one of the more active servers, even if it is still dead compared with what it once was. That speaks to the awesome power of the Star Wars brand, and them having a monopoly on it. It says nothing about the goodness of the game itself.

That's MY experience with playing the game fairly regularly.

Originally posted by Gravez

Originally posted by vet-in-exile

Originally posted by Gutboy

Bloodfin stats from last Friday for GCW officers, remember that the vast majority of players on a server are not ranked GCW officers, and if you don't log in at least every 14 days you fall off the chart as well (think vacation time). So 18,505 pvp kills during the week, it would seem to me that there are people in good numbers playing on Bloodfin.

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667 of 8436 Officers shown (7.9%).

The Officers shown have all in all 1606186 PvP Kills (2408 average).

Last week the Officers shown gained all in all 18505 PvP Kills (27 average).

There were 74 promotions, 44 demotions and 23 respecs (Full Respec-Stats).

Of the Officers shown there are

• 89 Bounty Hunter (13.34%), 109 Commando (16.34%), 9 Entertainer (1.34%), 230 Jedi (34.48%), 101 Medic (15.14%), 60 Officer (8.99%), 20 Smuggler (2.99%), 44 Spy (6.59%), 5 Trader (0.74%),

• 356 Imperial (53.37%), 311 Rebel (46.62%),

• 101 Captain (15.14%), 71 Colonel (10.64%), 136 General (20.38%), 218 Lieutenant (32.68%), 71 Lt Colonel / Commander (10.64%), 70 Major (10.49%),

• 667 Bloodfin (100%),

Wow those numbers are pathetic. I can't believe you'd post them as proof of how well the game is doing.

 

What he doesnt mention is that the overall number of officers is down by over 500 from last month. Maybe they all went on vacation.

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I was speaking of Bloodfin ONLY, because thats what this thread is about.

So just taking into account number of GCW officers on Bloodfin for the last 4 weeks

6/20 - 668 Bloodfin

6/13 - 691 Bloodfin

6/6 -  711 Bloodfin

So yes the numbers on Bloodfin is down so far this summer, it is not however a ghost town as the vets would make it out to be.

Originally posted by Gutboy

Originally posted by Gravez

Originally posted by vet-in-exile

Originally posted by Gutboy

Bloodfin stats from last Friday for GCW officers, remember that the vast majority of players on a server are not ranked GCW officers, and if you don't log in at least every 14 days you fall off the chart as well (think vacation time). So 18,505 pvp kills during the week, it would seem to me that there are people in good numbers playing on Bloodfin.

_________________________________________________________________________________

667 of 8436 Officers shown (7.9%).

The Officers shown have all in all 1606186 PvP Kills (2408 average).

Last week the Officers shown gained all in all 18505 PvP Kills (27 average).

There were 74 promotions, 44 demotions and 23 respecs (Full Respec-Stats).

Of the Officers shown there are

• 89 Bounty Hunter (13.34%), 109 Commando (16.34%), 9 Entertainer (1.34%), 230 Jedi (34.48%), 101 Medic (15.14%), 60 Officer (8.99%), 20 Smuggler (2.99%), 44 Spy (6.59%), 5 Trader (0.74%),

• 356 Imperial (53.37%), 311 Rebel (46.62%),

• 101 Captain (15.14%), 71 Colonel (10.64%), 136 General (20.38%), 218 Lieutenant (32.68%), 71 Lt Colonel / Commander (10.64%), 70 Major (10.49%),

• 667 Bloodfin (100%),

Wow those numbers are pathetic. I can't believe you'd post them as proof of how well the game is doing.

 

What he doesnt mention is that the overall number of officers is down by over 500 from last month. Maybe they all went on vacation.

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I was speaking of Bloodfin ONLY, because thats what this thread is about.

So just taking into account number of GCW officers on Bloodfin for the last 4 weeks

6/20 - 668 Bloodfin

6/13 - 691 Bloodfin

6/6 -  711 Bloodfin

So yes the numbers on Bloodfin is down so far this summer, it is not however a ghost town as the vets would make it out to be.

 

 

When compared to the other servers it is alive and well. Compared to any PreNGE server it is Dead Dead Dead.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

 

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo

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Originally posted by trueswgvet

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Originally posted by Obraik

 

"bad guys" because they made a change that you don't like to game?  I don't really think you can class someone as "bad" based on that.

 

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Bad guys because they sold an expansion and advertised items that they knew were going to be useless in that expansion. But they also refunded those expansions.
Bad guys because they continued to accept quarterly and yearly renewals knowing that they were making huge changes to the game. Can't blame a company for how it's customers spend their money.
Bad guys because it took reports to the BBB and states AG offices to get them to offer refunds for the expansion.  Really and you got this information how?
Bad guys because they just banned people instead of answering questions about the NGE on the forums. If that's the case every mmo is run by "bad guys" because this happens in everyone of them.
Bad guys because they continue to lie to current players about how bad the population is.
They don't announce their number of players in the first place.
 

 

 

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SWG is no longer a good game , I can't really argue that point . However , evil has nothing to do with it . Maybe you could characterize them as morons or idiots , But evil or bad is a long shot . In the end it boils down to capitalism and the ideas that come along with it . They thought they could make more money , They were wrong .There's not much more to it .

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Willfully and knowingly misleading people is wrong. Doing so makes you a bad guy.
Offering a refund doesn't make the good guys, it proves in fact that they were bad guys and they knew it.
The NGE was in production for 2-3 months, during that time, they knowingly misled their customers by telling them that Ranger was going to be revamped. They stated this all the time knowing the class was going to be removed.
That's not capitalism, that's fraud.

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Ranger was revamped , Revamped to spy 

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Yes, which makes them bad guys who did a bad thing. Why do you feel the need to obfuscate that fact? That is even more odd than Obraik's defense of it. At least he LIKES the game. Unless of course you are just trollin. Of course you are.

 

Trolling would mean I had no vested interest in this game or the topic .However , considering I was browsing due to being back on a vet trial that simply isn't the case. Although I would say that is exactly what you must be doing .But what would be new about you trolling SWG forums ? Have they invited you down to hang with them recently ,speaking of paid informants?

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo

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Originally posted by Fishermage
 
 

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Originally posted by Malickiebloo

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Originally posted by trueswgvet

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Originally posted by Obraik
 
"bad guys" because they made a change that you don't like to game?  I don't really think you can class someone as "bad" based on that.
 

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Bad guys because they sold an expansion and advertised items that they knew were going to be useless in that expansion. But they also refunded those expansions.
Bad guys because they continued to accept quarterly and yearly renewals knowing that they were making huge changes to the game. Can't blame a company for how it's customers spend their money.
Bad guys because it took reports to the BBB and states AG offices to get them to offer refunds for the expansion.  Really and you got this information how?
Bad guys because they just banned people instead of answering questions about the NGE on the forums. If that's the case every mmo is run by "bad guys" because this happens in everyone of them.
Bad guys because they continue to lie to current players about how bad the population is.
They don't announce their number of players in the first place.
 
 
 

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SWG is no longer a good game , I can't really argue that point . However , evil has nothing to do with it . Maybe you could characterize them as morons or idiots , But evil or bad is a long shot . In the end it boils down to capitalism and the ideas that come along with it . They thought they could make more money , They were wrong .There's not much more to it .

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Willfully and knowingly misleading people is wrong. Doing so makes you a bad guy.
Offering a refund doesn't make the good guys, it proves in fact that they were bad guys and they knew it.
The NGE was in production for 2-3 months, during that time, they knowingly misled their customers by telling them that Ranger was going to be revamped. They stated this all the time knowing the class was going to be removed.
That's not capitalism, that's fraud.

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Ranger was revamped , Revamped to spy 

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Yes, which makes them bad guys who did a bad thing. Why do you feel the need to obfuscate that fact? That is even more odd than Obraik's defense of it. At least he LIKES the game. Unless of course you are just trollin. Of course you are.
 

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Trolling would mean I had no vested interest in this game or the topic .However , considering I was browsing due to being back on a vet trial that simply isn't the case. Although I would say that is exactly what you must be doing .But what would be new about you trolling SWG forums ? Have they invited you down to hang with them recently ,speaking of paid informants?
 

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No, trolling would mean that you have no constructive purpose, which is obvious from your response.

And as to your last question, first, no one was discussing "paid informants," we were discussing paid viral marketers. Secondly; no, when they discovered I can not be bought, the relationship ended. Deadmeat himself flamed me on the boards some time ago in fact, much to my amusement.

Interesting however how quickly you collapsed into personal attacks, and still won't explain WHY you are obfuscating their unethical actions. Boom, headshot. Gotcha once again.

Aditionally, I never troll; I always have a constructive purpose in mind when I post, no matter where and when. In this case, I was mostly supporting the OP in what he says about Bloodfin; things are not so bad over there, in a post-NGE kinda way.

I was also, in keeping with the flow of the conversation, stating that I do not believe that Obraik is a paid viral marketer for SOE, to which Obraik made a rather silly reply, willfully mischaracterizing the issue. then I answered your willful mischaracterizations, and your rather interesting ethical standards (the 'lying = capitalism' false argument). Nothing new to that one; I know. You seem to have as odd views about the capitalist system of political economy as you do of business ethics within that system.

No trolling at all; simple conversation, all with a sense of purpose and reason.

I'm not a pre-Cu/NGE vet. That having been said, I agree with everything! Welcome back!

Now, if only they improved the interface, it'd make a huge difference to the game experience...