If there weren't those cards, that doesen't imply more resources go to SWG. SWG is Austin team, cards (for eq, eq2, swg, etc) is Denver team and it's specialized in collectible cards games in fact, and it has it's own pool of resources. So if this team is still advancing it means the card games have it's potential playerbase and it's reasonably succesful. If it wasn't this way it would be already closed. That is the view I see, nothing to bash here, card games fit perfectly into Star Wars.

    Geeeez another card game in a MMO, how exciting. LON was one of the main things that started putting me off EQ2. Having to resort to a card game formula as content shows the lack of creativity from the dev team. These type of card games just please simpletons.

Originally posted by IAmMMO

    Geeeez another card game in a MMO, how exciting. LON was one of the main things that started putting me off EQ2. Having to resort to a card game formula as content shows the lack of creativity from the dev team. These type of card games just please simpletons.

 

Added value, just this. Even the mighty hardcore EvE Online has it's own collectible card game, thou not integrated into the game (real cards, not digital). Other kind of added value items are magazines. Lots of mmo nowadays have magazines and those are very well done and cool if you have some money to spend.

Originally posted by GrandAm

Originally posted by Distiler

Originally posted by huxflux2004

I think that most of you fail to realize what the addition of the card game is about. We are talking about an inpependent game than can be launched either from inside SWG or from Windows desktop (like LoN) and does not really have to do anything with your SWG MMO experience. You can choose to completely ignore it, you won't be in any disadvantage. You can choose to play it, you will not gain any advantage.

They are not trying to fix SWG, they are not trying to modify it or anything. They are just releasing a SW themed card game that can use the SWG client as a launcher. And all the "omg, the SWG developers spend their timez for a CCG instead of fixing my bugs" argument is completely stupid, since it is a different team that develops the card games.

 

Agree 100% with that. But my friend you posted in the wrong forum, this place is just to bash SOE, even cool things are turned bad for the sake of collective rejoycing. Not that I like it, in fact I would like this forum to be closed since todays NGE is not what they write about but whatever...

 

I disagree. This forum is every bit as valid and has a larger population than the current.  In fact there was originally just the general forum.  Then MMORPG.com created a current and veteran forum in addition to the general.  Both new forums started at zero threads.  Eventually MMORPG.com merged the new current and old general into one.  But during the time when current and vet forums were seperate from general.  The veteran forum had at least (MO) three times the threads and posts created than the current forums.  Based on that I would say most of the community here welcome and want this forum.

If you don't believe me about the numbers ask Obraik.  He has been here longer than I have and supports the current game.  I'm sure he is a person of character and would not lie about whether or not the vet forums out paced the current during this time period.

I respect support your decision to play the current game, all I ask is you respect my decision to criticize it and its producing company.

Look I'm here since 2004 and I know that. Still I think I'm righ about collective rejoycing, I felt myself. About bashing SOE directives, I'm with you, I fucking hate Smed, torres and the likes and I'll bash them at any time, but not the actual dev team. About bashing current SWG, I disagree, it's so different and upgraded since other incarnations I feel the version you review is another one and is misleading. And I don't start comparing it to other mmos out in the market...look at them, simply suxxor, nowadays mmos out there are so unidimensional it's a real involution of the genre. I respect you anyway.

oops we're entered off topic territory.

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by hubertgrove

Originally posted by almagill

Originally posted by hubertgrove

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Well, that was a good idea. I enjoy LoN very much, but I love the SW IP even more! I'd be glad to go back to SWG just for the CCG! 5 boosters per month? Nice!

 

Grats SOE!!!!

 

I am glad that you enjoy this idea. As a forty-year old professionalm man with children, the idea that a playground trading card game would entice me back to SWG is ridiculous. I suppose I am not the demographic SOE is aiming at anymore. Pity. I guess I'll have to take my five monthly subscriptions elsewhere.

 

"It's MY ball and I'm taking it home!!"

OK, so the card game doesn't appeal to you, probably has nothing to do with your age or the fact that you have kids.  After all, you're still playing an overglorified arcade game and have multiple accounts to do so?

Hate to say it, but the demographic for *most* of the games we play is far nearer the playground than any forty something year old man should ever be.

 

(OK, that sounded wrong...)

 

 

'Waaah! Mommy, why won't the big kids play with me?'.

You miss the point. The fact is, to game companies I am worth precisely five times as much as the average teenage gamer.

Oh, and I am actually the target demographic that the majors do want, from Turbine to Blizzard - because I have money, time and influence that I can use for their good or ill. That's why the Blizzard ads star William Shatner and Vern Troyer and not Miley Cyrus and Zac Efron.

And it was becuase SOE's stupidity with the NGE was specifically designed to reject people like me and attract people like you that the game is now deserted and dying. 

As an aside, I resigned my five accounts a couple of months after the NGE - my message was that this kid's card game was taking the game further away from me and other mature, resourced players and closer to people like you. Fair enough?

 

I think you got a big idea of yourself Mr 40+ with kids and five accounts.

It does not need lots of brain to understand that you are not the target audience for computer games. It is not that you are completely neglected, but the companies cannot design games according to your profile. Dude, you really dont believe that Blizzard had you in mind when they designed WoW? Get real.

 

Also, you dont seem very mature. You are saying that I am a kid, because I like card games? I guess that somewhere along your path from childhood to "maturity" you got stuck. You never learned the lesson: I am not the center of the universe.

 

And really, wtf does a 40+ year old with kids do with 5 SWG accounts? LOOOL

Reguardless of how you feel about each other, I agree with the old man.  He was around when pinball was replaced by pong, atari, coleco vision, nintendo, sega genisis, PS, PS2, Xbox, what we have today, and every PC upgrade and game that came with them.  He is the gaming audience cause he was there for the history.  It's his culture more than any teenager running around today.

Sports cars are considered a young person's thing.  But who are the ones buying Corvettes.  The only young unestablished people that can are ones with trust funds.  No it's the middle aged guys that buy em.  The buy that, get hair plugs, hit the gym, get a tatoo, dump their wife and 5 kids for the 18 year old baby sitter.

You wonder how he can play multi accounts with 5 kids, maybe he has a baby sitter.

Originally posted by Distiler

Originally posted by huxflux2004

I think that most of you fail to realize what the addition of the card game is about. We are talking about an inpependent game than can be launched either from inside SWG or from Windows desktop (like LoN) and does not really have to do anything with your SWG MMO experience. You can choose to completely ignore it, you won't be in any disadvantage. You can choose to play it, you will not gain any advantage.

They are not trying to fix SWG, they are not trying to modify it or anything. They are just releasing a SW themed card game that can use the SWG client as a launcher. And all the "omg, the SWG developers spend their timez for a CCG instead of fixing my bugs" argument is completely stupid, since it is a different team that develops the card games.

 

Agree 100% with that. But my friend you posted in the wrong forum, this place is just to bash SOE, even cool things are turned bad for the sake of collective rejoycing. Not that I like it, in fact I would like this forum to be closed since todays NGE is not what they write about but whatever...

i would like for the current discussion board to be closed because none of you supporters can figure out this board is for us to discuss the game that was. also by having a current discussion board mmorpg.com

validates the nearly criminal behavior of soe.

Originally posted by kryten

Originally posted by Distiler

Originally posted by huxflux2004

I think that most of you fail to realize what the addition of the card game is about. We are talking about an inpependent game than can be launched either from inside SWG or from Windows desktop (like LoN) and does not really have to do anything with your SWG MMO experience. You can choose to completely ignore it, you won't be in any disadvantage. You can choose to play it, you will not gain any advantage.

They are not trying to fix SWG, they are not trying to modify it or anything. They are just releasing a SW themed card game that can use the SWG client as a launcher. And all the "omg, the SWG developers spend their timez for a CCG instead of fixing my bugs" argument is completely stupid, since it is a different team that develops the card games.

 

Agree 100% with that. But my friend you posted in the wrong forum, this place is just to bash SOE, even cool things are turned bad for the sake of collective rejoycing. Not that I like it, in fact I would like this forum to be closed since todays NGE is not what they write about but whatever...

i would like for the current discussion board to be closed because none of you supporters can figure out this board is for us to discuss the game that was. also by having a current discussion board mmorpg.com

validates the nearly criminal behavior of soe.

Been there, done that. Now look at your registration date.

PD: And it was not a "nearly" criminal behaviour, it was a full blow criminal behaviour, for the sake of records by SOE directives. But again, SWG nowadays is not like what you paint it to be by a wide margin.

Originally posted by Distiler

Originally posted by GrandAm

Originally posted by Distiler

Originally posted by huxflux2004

I think that most of you fail to realize what the addition of the card game is about. We are talking about an inpependent game than can be launched either from inside SWG or from Windows desktop (like LoN) and does not really have to do anything with your SWG MMO experience. You can choose to completely ignore it, you won't be in any disadvantage. You can choose to play it, you will not gain any advantage.

They are not trying to fix SWG, they are not trying to modify it or anything. They are just releasing a SW themed card game that can use the SWG client as a launcher. And all the "omg, the SWG developers spend their timez for a CCG instead of fixing my bugs" argument is completely stupid, since it is a different team that develops the card games.

 

Agree 100% with that. But my friend you posted in the wrong forum, this place is just to bash SOE, even cool things are turned bad for the sake of collective rejoycing. Not that I like it, in fact I would like this forum to be closed since todays NGE is not what they write about but whatever...

 

I disagree. This forum is every bit as valid and has a larger population than the current.  In fact there was originally just the general forum.  Then MMORPG.com created a current and veteran forum in addition to the general.  Both new forums started at zero threads.  Eventually MMORPG.com merged the new current and old general into one.  But during the time when current and vet forums were seperate from general.  The veteran forum had at least (MO) three times the threads and posts created than the current forums.  Based on that I would say most of the community here welcome and want this forum.

If you don't believe me about the numbers ask Obraik.  He has been here longer than I have and supports the current game.  I'm sure he is a person of character and would not lie about whether or not the vet forums out paced the current during this time period.

I respect support your decision to play the current game, all I ask is you respect my decision to criticize it and its producing company.

 

Look I'm here since 2004 and I know that. Still I think I'm righ about collective rejoycing, I felt myself. About bashing SOE directives, I'm with you, I fucking hate Smed, torres and the likes and I'll bash them at any time, but not the actual dev team. About bashing current SWG, I disagree, it's so different and upgraded since other incarnations I feel the version you review is another one and is misleading. And I don't start comparing it to other mmos out in the market...look at them, simply suxxor, nowadays mmos out there are so unidimensional it's a real involution of the genre. I respect you anyway.

oops we're entered off topic territory.

You are right we are venturing into off topic territory, lets get back more on topic.  I agree with you a card game is in of itself not a bad thing.  Probably is a good thing to add dimension to any game and can generate alternative interest in the game as far as marketing compared to traditional advertising.  I agree that this was produced under seperate budgets and personel and is more of a product tie in like Dr Pepper and the recent Indiana Jones movie.  In principal nothing wrong.  I understand the views of those that feel that the money spent on this should have been spent on the game.  To a point I agree.  If it is SOE that fronted for this then yes it should have gone there.  If it is a third party that approached SOE and is funding this independently then I definatly agree with you .

However,  I have read that there will be "loot cards" redeemable for usable in game items that will also be available at the online store for purchase.  If the loot drop rate is set so low that the only realistic way to get these items (if the are highly sought after) is to pay RL money, there will be some massive problems for players and the powers that be.  And I will reserve any rejoicing I have until time tells if it is a good thing or a bad.

Plus as a side note, I never played pre-cu.  First started CU and played NGE as late as Dec 07.  Even had some fun in NGE.  I do have an idea based on personal experience what the current game has to offer.  My main beef is with SOE.  Good post and I respect your opinion.

It's not a 3rd party as far as I understood, it's a SOE team in another city, Denver, specialized in card games and other little games available at SOE station. It still has it's own resources, budget, manpower, etc that don't necessarelly mean will be available for SWG team if it didn't exist, but the Denver team exists so they get the budget.

About the cards that can be redeemed for in game items, some will be combat oriented some not. At first glance I don't like it but those combat oriented ones like buffs, are not near as usefull and powerful as those an entertainer and a medic can give you (and cannot be stacked). If that changes in the future, ok, I'll be the first in bashing them, but I can't do it now, I just can say "thanks" because I'll get free cards each months for the same subscription price.

Originally posted by Distiler

It's not a 3rd party as far as I understood, it's a SOE team in another city, Denver, specialized in card games and other little games available at SOE station. It still has it's own resources, budget, manpower, etc that don't necessarelly mean will be available for SWG team if it didn't exist.

About the cards that can be redeemed for in game items, some will be combat oriented some not. At first glance I don't like it but those combat oriented ones like buffs, are not near as usefull and powerful as those an entertainer and a medic can give you (and cannot be stacked). If that changes in the future, ok, I'll be the first in bashing them, but I can't do it now, I just can say "thanks" because I'll get free cards each months for the same subscription price.

Sounds like we both agree its a long terrm wait and see for positive or negative impact.  We differ in your optimism and my cynicism.

I agree the people are two different sets, but if the funding came from SOE they should have spent that money on the main game.  However I heard a rumor that SOE and LA reached a new agreement and LA is actually supporting this game now financially til the next SW MMO comes.  I'm not saying that rumor is true, but if it is then whether SOE funds the card game or not really is mute because LA controls resources to the main game.  Again assuming the rumor is true.

Originally posted by GrandAm

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by hubertgrove

Originally posted by almagill

Originally posted by hubertgrove

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Well, that was a good idea. I enjoy LoN very much, but I love the SW IP even more! I'd be glad to go back to SWG just for the CCG! 5 boosters per month? Nice!

 

Grats SOE!!!!

 

I am glad that you enjoy this idea. As a forty-year old professionalm man with children, the idea that a playground trading card game would entice me back to SWG is ridiculous. I suppose I am not the demograph