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• • Success or Fail - We as players should....

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    Originally posted by Josher
    
    

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    Originally posted by Blackfoot-3

    I see where your coming from, but you really haven't thought about it enough.
    Think about this, when were all the good games released? In the beginning. Ok. When have most of the crap games been released? After WoW.
    I don't care if there is one game on the market (and there always will be at least 1 game) as long as it's a good game. The Genre will keep going forward. Ever since WoW hit the scene the genre has actually been moving BACKWARDS as far as content and gameplay are concerned. Everyone wants to make the next WoW, but what they don't realize is that there may NEVER be another WoW and if there is it will only be after the 10mil subscribers get bored with the game, years and years from now.
    Everyone now is trying to compete with WoW, a very simplistic game that will draw in the most people. Nobody cares about gameplay now, they only care about subscribers. They use an X + Y / Z formula to get the subsribers that the mathematicians at Blizzard created.
    

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    You've got it backwards...content and gameplay has increased dramatically since UO. Considering EQ, UO and AC had basically zero content, had lousy control, UIs and had gameplay designed to stretch out every play session and slow down advancement to a crawl...the genre has moved forward quite a bit. Its the old vets who can't let it go already and realize just how badly designed the original MMOs were.
    People are allowed to be picky now, because we have options. Back with the original 3, there were few options. Which buggy unfinished game did you want to play back then, because they all had problems that current gamers won't tolerate now.
    
    If Dark & Light or Vangaurd were released in 99, they would be successes. Now they're deemed failures. Wonder why?

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    You make a good point, but when I say content I mean as far as things you can do. Think about what all you could do in EQ and try to see if you can do it in WoW... It's not there. Same thing with AC and UO, they had much more to do in the game than WoW does. WoW has two options: Raid or PVP Grind. Crafting is there, but completely pointless.

    Also, you only focused on one word "content". What about gameplay? Some of the things you hit on are not restricted to the MMO Genre, but all games in general. Gameplay plays an important role for me in games. I like games that challenge my mind, not just numb it. In the current crop of MMOs a mind numbing experience seems to what they go on and thrive on. I understand I'm not a normal gamer, I see things in games that 90% of the general non-gamer population sees and I want things they don't want. I understand that. But there are happy mediums, which are not being put out at the current time.

    Content and Gameplay kinda go hand in hand as well. Sure, some of these MMOs have lots of places to go, but big deal. That's not content, that's filler. Content, to me, means somewhat of a sandbox... even if the game isn't considered a sandbox. Back in UO, I could come up with all kinds of things to do and was happy. In WoW there are just a handful, I mean I can do lots of things but the game has evolved to where those things just don't matter. WoW should have been a spectacular game, the Original Designers had alot of great ideas, the bad thing is that the game has got nothing more than a spectacular amount of subscribers. But, that alone doesn't mean it's a good game. NSYNC and the Backstreet Boys sold many MANY more records than copies of WoW, I don't find them good and I've never found anyone willing to admit that they like them.

    IMHO, the greatest thing WoW has brought to the Genre is a playable game on most systems. Unfortunately, most developers don't see this key feature of the game. I can play WoW on my Laptop, my friends laptop from 2003, or even my grandpa's computer he bought in '01 (with a simple RAM Upgrade, trust me... I played it on it).

    The problem with alot of these games is that fact and that fact alone. I played Vanguard and I LIKED IT! But the problem lies in the fact that when I got around other people my computer lagged way down. And that was my gaming machine. I'm in the Army and spend most of my time on my laptop that's no where near the power of my game machine.

  • Posted: 5/15/08 10:04 AM
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• • Success or Fail - We as players should....

  • I see where your coming from, but you really haven't thought about it enough.

    Think about this, when were all the good games released? In the beginning. Ok. When have most of the crap games been released? After WoW.

    I don't care if there is one game on the market (and there always will be at least 1 game) as long as it's a good game. The Genre will keep going forward. Ever since WoW hit the scene the genre has actually been moving BACKWARDS as far as content and gameplay are concerned. Everyone wants to make the next WoW, but what they don't realize is that there may NEVER be another WoW and if there is it will only be after the 10mil subscribers get bored with the game, years and years from now.

    Everyone now is trying to compete with WoW, a very simplistic game that will draw in the most people. Nobody cares about gameplay now, they only care about subscribers. They use an X + Y / Z formula to get the subsribers that the mathematicians at Blizzard created.

    In short, I hope every game for the next 3 years is a complete and utter failure. Then maybe they will start thinking about creating one from scratch instead of using a cookie cutter they bought from the WoW Corporation.

  • Posted: 5/15/08 6:11 AM
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• • The 7 Commandments All Video Games Should Obey

  • I just have to say ah-men to what they write in #3 about Escort Missions.

    "No one has ever liked an escort mission, ever, in the history of gaming. So why do they still exist?"

  • Posted: 5/14/08 4:06 AM
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• • Which MMO are you "dying" for info on the most?

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    Originally posted by Neopsych
    CCP's next I.P or a a big budget mainstream horror title.
    

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    Ok, I take back what I just said. I totally forgot CCP is releasing something new. :)

  • Posted: 5/14/08 3:18 AM
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• • Which MMO are you "dying" for info on the most?

  • Ever since I have been let down by WoW (it's original concept in beta is nothing like what it has evolved to today), MEO (LoTRO Now), PoTBS, AoC, Darkfall, and some other game I followed that didn't even make it to beta who's name I can't remember... I just don't really give a crap anymore. If a game comes out that is great so be it. Until then, they can all shove a ..... up their ........

  • Posted: 5/14/08 3:11 AM
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