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• • Warhammer Renew POLL

  • yep they sure are. 70+ is great retention rate actually.

  • Posted: 10/08/08 7:27 AM
    WAR (Warhammer Online)
• • what is wrong with WAR?

  • Nothing wrong with it at all.

  • Posted: 10/08/08 7:06 AM
    WAR (Warhammer Online)
• • Save Your Money.. Unless..

  • Originally posted by bodypass
    

    Originally posted by _Shadowmage
    

     

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    Originally posted by bodypass
    No matter what the die hard fans may say:
    War is a GIANT step back in every respect of what a MMORPG should be AND it is clunky, laggy and badly designed both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.
    Those who LOVE it fall in 3 categories:
    - DAoC lovers who think they can come back to the high days of that game
    - Wow haters who just want to love it because they played Wow to death and now hate their ex love.
    - The MMORPG jumpers who jump from MMORPG to MMORPG every time a new launch is announced.
    All 3 categories "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it. All three will drop the ball.
    The first category have to admit it's a shadow of the orginal DAoC, the second group are just loving it because they can hate their old love even more (forgetting that War is even more of less)... until they wake up and the third group will leave when the next new kid comes to town.
    ALL the rest of the buyers can't look at it without having this feeling of: a clunky PvP, laggy and badly designed game both in server capacity, PVE challenge AND RvR wise.
    
    

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    Talk about generalization
    - I have never played DAOC
    - I have never played WOW
    - I dont jump from MMO to MMO I stick with a game I like until I am no longer having fun, then find something else to play.

    So yes I am enjoying WAR. Previous MMO's I have played/ enjoyed and stuck to for 18 months - Tabula Rasa (9 months in beta) and Guild Wars.

    But I agree there are a lot of people posting who jump from MMO to MMO and hate every one of them as its not the same as whatever precious first MMO they played.
     

    I said those who LOVE War.
     

    You're enjoying the game. I am talking about the lover boys who defend it like it would be the "next generation of MMORPG's". Well it is not.

    I agree we NEED another excellent MMORPG  game that has the standard Blizzard quality of games. But neither AoC or War fall into this category. And the reasons why : I summed them up in my last sentence.

    I made these categories because people in that categoy tend to "love" this game for the wrong reasons, they "think" they love it, but they have the wrong driving force to love and support it.

    I already saw the most fanatic followers open their eyes these last days (I won't sum them up - some are even in this post). But WANTING to love a new game with the above kind of basics isn't a good long term driving force.

    Of course there are other categories of War players, but these 3 categories are the most prone to why they adore a game which simply is lacking for far too many trying it. And this isn't even an opinion: it is a fact:

    Just look at xfire this afternoon: lowest number of playings since launch - in the free time period and after having a status of 15 days best seller at the box office.

     

     

    
     

    This is fact, lol give me a break.

  • Posted: 10/07/08 2:57 AM
    WAR (Warhammer Online)
• • Are people seriously re-subscribing?

  • Originally posted by Malickie
    

    Originally posted by Deto123
    

    Originally posted by Malickie
    

    Originally posted by Deto123
    

    Originally posted by Azrile
    

    Originally posted by Hamrtime2
    

    [quote]Originally posted by Azrile
    [AOC right now is slightly better than Warhammer. 

     

    
    Warhammer is 1000 times better that AoC...Conan isnt even in the same ballpark. The one thing that you need in warhammer to get its full potencial is a good guild or a good group of people to play with. The biggest difference in the 2 is that that there is a "good vs bad" aspect of the game which means you have to team up with people on your side to be victorious. In AoC, its all about kill or be killed. No reason to help others (in pvp)to achieve a certain goal. If AoC had side A vs side B, it would be alot more popular.

    
     

    You are talking about the 'theory' of warhammer.  The problem is that this theory is just not reflected in gameplay.

    In warhammer, very few people are goind RvR on a massive scale.  Instead, people are joining groups to do PQ's and then disbanding them as soon as they get their reward.   But the majority of the players are doing nothing but grinding scenerios.   Overland objectives are not being fought over, all you have is people running around doing solo pve-quests until they get into a scenerio mini-game.  The people who are doing RvR aren't meeting player resistence, they only have to overcome the NPCs.   There was already a city captured after 2 weeks (endgame pvp), and in order to accomplish the ultimate pvp event, they had to overcome NO player resistence...everyone was in scenarios.

    The theory of Warhammer is that you have this big " us vs them' game going on... that you were a foot soldier in a war against 'the enemy'.   But the gameplay just has not worked out like that.. instead it's about everyone just trying to play scenerios and get as much bling as quickly as possible.

    The theory of the game of Warhammer is great, but the actual MMORPG isn't.

    
     

    This is laughable. AOC isn t slightly anything over WAR. First of all have you seen end game in WAR? It exsist at release where AOC might have some of it functioning. Second people are trying to level to get to the meat of the game, and guess what theres content all the way. You see where i m going. Now if you have seen tier 4 and what it has to offer, you wouldn t say theres noopen rvr happening, and AOC is better, because that simply isn t true for most people. WAR is 2 weeks old, AOC is 5 months old and WAR is ahead in literally all aspects. I ll tell ya what in 4+ months come back and see where AOC is now in customer appreciation and subs and WAR will be then.

     

    I completely agree with him, I feel AOC is a better game. However that doesn't make it so, it's called an opinion.

    
     

    As did the poster previous, he had an opinion that WAR is better.

    Which is exactly why I didn't call his opinion laughable. Maybe the point eluded you, sorry my bad...

    I agree he s entitled to his opinion, everyone is of course. The thing is one poster said why he feels WAR is better and another poster says in theory. This isn t true at all. He s right when he says a good guild or group of people, trying to achieve the same goal makes a big difference. The true fun in the game are imo anyways the tier3-4 keep takes with long battles, and many people involved. Win or lose when you re palying witha good group/guild, the constant battles are an absolute blast. All i can say for myself is i didn t once get even close to that feeling in AOC. So, in reality in theory he s wrong because the game plays just like he claimed as theory. Just go find some people to play it with i guess.
     

  • Posted: 10/07/08 2:50 AM
    Age of Conan
• • Are people seriously re-subscribing?

  • Originally posted by Malickie
    

    Originally posted by Deto123
    

    Originally posted by Azrile
    

    Originally posted by Hamrtime2
    

    [quote]Originally posted by Azrile
    [AOC right now is slightly better than Warhammer. 

     

    
    Warhammer is 1000 times better that AoC...Conan isnt even in the same ballpark. The one thing that you need in warhammer to get its full potencial is a good guild or a good group of people to play with. The biggest difference in the 2 is that that there is a "good vs bad" aspect of the game which means you have to team up with people on your side to be victorious. In AoC, its all about kill or be killed. No reason to help others (in pvp)to achieve a certain goal. If AoC had side A vs side B, it would be alot more popular.

    
     

    You are talking about the 'theory' of warhammer.  The problem is that this theory is just not reflected in gameplay.

    In warhammer, very few people are goind RvR on a massive scale.  Instead, people are joining groups to do PQ's and then disbanding them as soon as they get their reward.   But the majority of the players are doing nothing but grinding scenerios.   Overland objectives are not being fought over, all you have is people running around doing solo pve-quests until they get into a scenerio mini-game.  The people who are doing RvR aren't meeting player resistence, they only have to overcome the NPCs.   There was already a city captured after 2 weeks (endgame pvp), and in order to accomplish the ultimate pvp event, they had to overcome NO player resistence...everyone was in scenarios.

    The theory of Warhammer is that you have this big " us vs them' game going on... that you were a foot soldier in a war against 'the enemy'.   But the gameplay just has not worked out like that.. instead it's about everyone just trying to play scenerios and get as much bling as quickly as possible.

    The theory of the game of Warhammer is great, but the actual MMORPG isn't.

    
     

    This is laughable. AOC isn t slightly anything over WAR. First of all have you seen end game in WAR? It exsist at release where AOC might have some of it functioning. Second people are trying to level to get to the meat of the game, and guess what theres content all the way. You see where i m going. Now if you have seen tier 4 and what it has to offer, you wouldn t say theres noopen rvr happening, and AOC is better, because that simply isn t true for most people. WAR is 2 weeks old, AOC is 5 months old and WAR is ahead in literally all aspects. I ll tell ya what in 4+ months come back and see where AOC is now in customer appreciation and subs and WAR will be then.

     

    I completely agree with him, I feel AOC is a better game. However that doesn't make it so, it's called an opinion.

    
     

    As did the poster previous, he had an opinion that WAR is better.

  • Posted: 10/07/08 2:42 AM
    Age of Conan