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• • Servers?

  • Originally posted by jaxterirl
    

    Yea i see what you mean, but it looks like its quite possibly gonna release, at least by the end of next year anyway.

     

    But without an RP server i aint buying the game, in a game where you can kill anyone and everyone at any time, those leetkiddies can actually kill us instead of ruining RP, which will be hard to ignore..

     

    Oh well, thanks for the quick response!

    Just a question no bad thoughts indended but i played more then 5 years now 2  different sanbox style games with every playstyle on same server  and it was a really great experience for everyone.

    A everyone tries a bit of anything anvironment  and it is great. 

    DarkFall is announced as very PvP centric so the point of a non PvP DarkFall  server is a bit  weird at least or maybe already a joke ...:P

  • Posted: 6/11/08 11:21 AM
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• • Try before you buy Payment OPTIONS!

  • Hope it will works credit card only .

    DarkFall please make it credit card only !

    That way only people having any credit are able to play.

     

  • Posted: 6/11/08 10:25 AM
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• • For all the non believers I say go to their website...

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    Originally posted by Keeper2000
    

     

    I will try once more.
    
    Beta Testing requires customers to be in it.  The client is the one testing (no, not client as the client program but as the customer).
    
    This is common knowledge in IT but lets try to prove it to you.
    
    Lets start with an easy definition (in what is LOL):
    
    http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid183_gci211654,00.html
    
    Now, everyone loves wikipedia... no idea why cuz its produced by us and not really anyone controling it but:
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle
    
    When it says "users" it means clients/customers... not paid testers.

    really ? What it can mean is "potentially customers" right ? But thats not the point,in this article.

    "The testers report any bugs that they found and sometimes minor features they would like to see in the final version."

    So paid professional tester aren't able to report bugs?

    And about beta tester demanding "features they would like to see in the final" AoC public Beta test was a lesson for many  :P

    
    
    And I think whoever compose this was very correct when he/she said "A beta version is the first version released outside the organization or community that develops the software"
    
    So paid internal testers are NOT beta.

    "potentially customers" who undersign contracts and work for the company as testers are not internal the moment they test?

    Is it because they do it for free ?

    
    
    You dont like my definition, whatis definition or wiki's... ok... here are more:
    
    http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/beta-test.html
    
    In this case the person defniting adds soemthign interests: "it is released to selected customers for testing under normal, everyday conditions of use to spot the remaining flaws."
    
    This is reflecting the fact that a close beta can be one where NOT everyone can get in.  But still it refers to people outside the company.  Internal testar are NOT beta.  The company can decide to whcih customers it gives the beta.  Not all the customers will get in beta.

    
    
    You still dont like all that definitions that adds customers in the test... ok... here are more definitions:
    
    http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=beta+test&i=38566,00.asp
    
    "A test of new or revised hardware or software that is performed by users at their facilities under normal operating conditions"  Again the user here is our customer.
    
    http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/B/beta_test.html
    
    http://www.answers.com/topic/beta-test-site?cat=technology
    
    In this last definition the "organization or company" is the customer who reports results to the vendor, which is Aventurine in this case.

    You will have the fair chance to try for free  and buy or not buy DarkFall this will be weeks before release.these feedback will be noticed by the vendor.

    
    http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jhtml?term=betatest
    
    I could keep just pasting links.
    
    I tried to explain all this in other post.  I was difining it based on more than a decade as project manager and my studies... so I was defining it based on just my experience.  Now I just added a lot of stupids links to show how other people define it.  Which doesn't really proves anything except that many people thinks beta must have the customer/client/user in it.

    Dunno about your project but it was yours and you took decisions , dunno if you develop software for game industry you defined your beta strategy to fit best to your project and DarkFall  developer do this for their  project .

    
    
    Imho, DFO is not in beta.  If Tasos didnt lie, it's in alpha.

    Ohoh  hold your horses ! :)  beta is a milestone because its feature complete, being feature complete is more important for something to meet the criteria of "beta build" then being tested by some people outside of the company. Right ?
    

    How do you know it isn't feature complete ?
    
    As Theodgrim said lets agree that for some of us a beta test (open, close, internal, external, whatever) must contain final users (people outside the company).  For us, anything tested wiht just employees are just internal test (integrity test, alpha test, whatever).  And lets agree that for you that is not the case and that you think employees testing a system, without any final user testing it, is a beta test.

    
    
    We can agree that we dont agree in the definition, cant we?

     Oh i agree on the definition but not on "users"  being misconceived exclusively as customers. Test  User  is someone who has the ability to test software and report feedback.. he can be professional tester for example... 

    PS: sorry for my english.  It was already proved in other post that soemtimes I express really incorrectly in english making myself hard to understa.  Apologizes in advance for that.

     No problem i could understand you (your writing) and my english isn't really better or good :P  

    We had this before and the part about beta definition was my big point :P

    But i will not hide that  the critics  in the  prior discussion  had  their big point , that concerning more  the practical questions of beta test  and was about ..amount of tester..

    But then comes the thousand of bots into the equation :P

     

    Different sources different strategies on Beta Test

    here is DarkFall developer strategy on Beta Test

    "Darkfall is feature complete and we're doing beta testing using professional testers as we've said before. Our policy on testing has always been that it's to aid the developers in making Darkfall as stable as possible, and not to aid some artificial goal like investor relations, or public relations. We don't care about that and the effectiveness of testing based on these goals is very questionable judging by the beta leaks everyone is accustomed to and which have been hurting the games in question. It's also not good for the players because they usually don't enjoy the experience. We don't expect playtesting to sort out major problems, other than getting reports on hardware configurations and further testing out some gameplay features."

  • Posted: 6/10/08 6:03 PM
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• • For all the non believers I say go to their website...

  • Originally posted by Theodgrim
    

     

    Originally posted by Stanford
    

     

    Word of developers:

    "Darkfall is feature complete".

     

    9/30/03, Tasos sez:

    Overall we're very happy with the progress, we don't have any serious problems, and we believe that we'll be able to deliver an advanced beta build for playtesting before long.

    What you can look forward to in the immediate future as we move forward with our closed beta, is the beta registration process for individual players and for guilds to open up, a new Darkfall website, screenshots from our current build, in-game movies, and of course our regular content updates.

    Yeah, we can believe these guys.  It would be CRAZY to doubt them!

    I see NO  "feature complete"  2003 .

    But as i said in answer  to your OP 2003 they were  to optimistic and maybe not experienced enough  and talking  about beta /release too early.

     

  • Posted: 6/10/08 12:14 PM
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• • Darkfall's Official Forums - Is That Really the Community?

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    Originally posted by Polarization
    

    The majority of Darkfall’s official forum community is a Frankenstein abomination in my opinion, Aventurine have created a monster after years of mismanagement and they are going to have to deal with it one way or another eventually.

    I stopped my interaction in 2005 because in my opinion it was no longer productive to be an active participant any longer, and I would argue the developers themselves share my attitude considering the relative stark absence of their presence in comparison to earlier times in the game’s development.

    In my opinion the only people who defend the behavior of the majority of the community are the people who still participate in said community, so they obviously are not objective and are part of the problem and not the solution.

    Good post in many parts with strongest  part your dedication to said community prior to 2005.

    However you mistake, being objective with "shoot the developers". According to your opinion that should be the type of  "objectivity",  your favorite choice after 2005, for the community to apply. Quaint , you leave, community lost objectivity  hehe..but that just as side note.

    Maybe extensive 'I hope this game is released soon' threads are appropriate then for to establish said "objectivity".

  • Posted: 6/10/08 12:00 PM
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