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• • Blizzard : "We dont balance the game for 1v1"

  • Originally posted by mbd1968
    

    The only way you would have any hope of balancing PvP is to remove stats from all gear, that way you'd be more equal and not have S4 v. Greens...

     

    Balancing doesnt have to be that drastic.

    Its simple things.

    Ppl have made 30 page threads on the Mage boards but nobody from blue reads them.

    Ppl have made all kinds of very reasonable suggestions.

    In the past  year there have been exactly TWO blue posts in the Mage forum.

    Our forum is like the ghetto, where you dial 911 and the devs dont show up.

  • Posted: 8/08/08 12:19 AM
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• • Blizzard : "We dont balance the game for 1v1"

  • Originally posted by mbd1968

    No, stop trying to spread misinformatrion.

    Ice Barrier is a 31 point Ice talent.

    Trinket is 5 minute cooldown and theres nothing stopping him from fearing you twice.

    A gnome mage in 70 pvp gear has ~ 7k health unbuffed.

    A human mage in 70 pvp gear has ~ 7.5k health unbuffed.

    Even if you dont get feared, a Warlock can outdps a Mage and has more hp, so even if you stand at 30 paces and cast with no fear and no cc, Mage still loses.

    I like how everybody is trying to defend the imbalances they currently enjoy.

    I don't know what Kalgan's personal psychosis is, but for whatever reason he has a hardon for making sure 4 classes dominate PvP and everybody else bends over.

    Dont think just because Blizz is a huge company they cant be hurt.

    They can be hurt just like Walmart can be hurt.

    By the way Age of Conan sucks.

  • Posted: 8/08/08 12:04 AM
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• • Blizzard : "We dont balance the game for 1v1"

  • Originally posted by Aethios
    

     

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    Originally posted by fizzle322
    I was specifically talking about Battlegrounds which is nothing more than 1v1 on a mass scale.

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    What? No... it's not. This is why I vowed never to PvP in WoW again. Everyone is a freaking PvP expert and yet somehow miss all the basic points.

    A battleground is NOT the same as 1v1. You won't receive incoming heals in a 1v1. You can't lure your opponent into nearby AoEs in a 1v1. You can't lock your opponent down with CC and wait for help in a 1v1. You can do all these things in a battleground, and your opponent has an opportunity to do the same to you.

    Now, I mostly agree with the rest of what you were trying to say, just this one statement was incredibly dumb. Even the smallest battlegrounds are as far from 1v1 as you will ever get.

    This is mostly a class dependent viewpoint.

    Mage tactics in battlegrounds is you have to try to sit at the edge of a battle and nuke, you have to try to use LOS and hide behind trees, etc.

    So when a rogue comes over to say hi, there is nobody to help you, there are no heals, its just you and him 30 yards from everybody else.

    Everybody specifically goes after Mages first, because they know you have 7k health and wearing cloth, in Eve terms its live flying a Scorpion, you are always the first to be called "Primary."

    For all the problems in Eve at least it has excellent PvP balance.

    If you die in Eve it was basically a mistake you made.

    If you die in WoW the mistake was you chose the wrong class.

  • Posted: 8/07/08 11:39 PM
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• • Blizzard : "We dont balance the game for 1v1"

  • Originally posted by Bama1267
    

     Problem isn't the balance. Its people who dont know how to pvp or pvp as a team. Ive taken more than my share of classes and done fine with all. Mage is far from easy as one may think but it certainly doesn't have the problems that you would say it has.

     

    If one class has to use teamwork and other classes don't, that indicates imbalance right there.

  • Posted: 8/07/08 10:01 PM
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• • Blizzard : "We dont balance the game for 1v1"

  • Originally posted by Azrile
    

    Originally posted by gamerman98
    

    wow...the saddest thing ever in a WoW thread...a bunch of fanbois flaming the OP cuz hes right. OP I totally agree with you sir..because Ive seen it my self. The OP knows what he is talking about to the T...I mean I play a rogue and agree that the class is pretty over powered since mine hasnt even hit 70 yet, but I can sure take down a nicely geared 70 since like the OP mentioned..they cant kill what they cant see. I play in BG all the time and I always see basically everything that the OP mentioned...its not balanced and with the DK coming with the new expansion...its just going to get worse.

    
     

    The OP isn't wrong for saying classes aren't balanced 1v1.  The OP is wrong for expecting the game to balance around 1v1 fights.   If you want to 'judge' the devs on their ability to balance pvp.. look at class representation of  2000+ ranked 5v5 teams.   The classes are actually pretty evenly distributed.

     

    No actually thats not balance.

    Of course every class is "fine" if its carried by 4 other classes.

    Every class has a certain "worth", based on stats like health, dps, armor, and their abilities, like the ability to heal, the ability to be invis, and so forth.

    Mages currently have the lowest "worth" in PvP.

    Yeah you can be fine if you are carried by 4 other players, even if you cannot stand on your own 2 feet.

    I totally admit that I'm not the best PvPer in the world, but I'm also not the worst.

    I've had other Mages completely destroy me and shut me down, my hat's off to them.

    I've also had Warlocks who play WORSE than me kill me just because they rolled my "problem class."

    If you can get a Warlock down to %10 health and die to his DoT, that guy sucks, if he played his class properly I wouldn't even be able to get 1 spell off.

    I shouldn't have to play twice as well just because someone clicked "Warlock" on the character selection screen.

    And by the way yes I do have a Warlock alt and a Rogue alt and a Hunter alt.

    They are powerful but they're just not fun to play.

    I want to play what *I* find fun and to be able to compete with that class, but Blizz has made that impossible for me.

  • Posted: 8/07/08 9:53 PM
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