| Username | kryten |
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| Joined | July 4, 2008 |
| Gender | Male |
| Age | 28 |
| Location | tunafish, MN, United States |
| Last Visit | July 28, 2008 |
| Post Count | 134 |
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| Quote | WOW...the walmart of mmos |
come on u know u'd take the hawaii vacation the quit as soon as u got back =P.
i'd quit as soon as i landed in hawaii.
i was playing with my RL friends, which is what i prefer being i know there cool. See i have RL friends......
lol i suggest you go play what your freinds switched to. freinds are always more important than a game.
also the quality of players has slipped in this game. a lot.
dress up like smed but with devil horns. start with "please allow me to introduce myself. i'm a man of wealth and taste"
Originally posted by Wizardry
It took a very long time but after years of constant whining and my long time experience with a player base in many games i decided to do some homework.
The funny thing about Soe and there SWG game was that most agreed it was a very complete game,with expansive skill trees ,some decent updates and a battle system that played like a FPS.There players were decent looking as was the game world.The game world was also a decent size,really the game was quite complete.It had a skill system many species and professions.A dynamic player economy,ground vehicles as well as the space vehicles of course.They have added player housing along the way.In reality ,when you look at the depth of game play and design of the game it is quite good even for a non SWG fan.
Now the meat of the debate.
After unveiling what really went on and not dwelling solely on the NGE part ,it was as i pretty much thought it was.I would lay blame on the player base ,so much so i would say they can take blame for 90% of there complaints and look at there brethren who caused the later fiascal.
Even after smedley,who btw was by no means in this alone,offered up apologies i found them more as saving face and trying to mend the problems without laying blame as i am doing.After all i have nothing to lose,i can say whatever i feel is the truth and not something the player base wants to hear nor do i need to suck up to my directors or shareholders.
The whole fiascal ,for those who do not know is ALL about the JEDI class.This class was suppose to be the best class in the game,so no wonder SOE or perhaps verant as well made it a difficult class to unlock.Now here is where the player base is to blame.You see in my books and anyone with a sense of maturity knows full well you can NOT have your cake and eat it too.What ensued after the next few months was MANY players complaining the profession was TOO hard to unlock.SOE and there board pretty much acknowledged that they were losing subs because of the disgruntled players.
So like a good little SOE they decide to make changes removing the 3 death penalty system and just removing skill points.I think that is a kind of fair response by SOE in being you are gettign the elite class you should take care of it and not be allowed to use it like a noob.In essence there SHOULD be some kind of drawback for having the best profession in game,more so than just the time it takes to unlock it.Guess what happens?MOre subs are lost and more are STILL complaining..geesh it seems the whole player base wants the jedi class and easily handed to them like some item mall purchase.That is the two faced syndrome that ensued this long standing fiascal.This is why i said you can NOT have your whining then get your own way and continue to whine,,very lame in my books.
Guess what happens next?SOE once again bows to pressure because of still losing subs and makes the profession with just a series of quests to unlock it.I mean this pretty much shows they dumbed the game down totally and made the profession nothing desireable or earned or even rare and why? because they cried for it .This is called the NGE New Game enhancements.Soe basically made the game a LOT easier and of course allowed the jedi as a starting profession.
You see even after SOE did everything they could to please the constant whining about the jedi class,they were still losing subs.This is why there whole board decided that the game needed to be simplified as the player base was NOT backing up what they asked for.If the player base had begged for all the changes and showed there support through subs SOE would not have been given the impression the game was dying and needed change.At the time BEFORE the NGE they were steadily losing subs,that is NOT a player base showing support for what they asked for,that is a player base that is just like ALL other games very divided and caused there own demise.Just like other games you get a % that want everything simple and solo,they want to be able to get end game level in 2 weeks,where on the other hand just like the PRE NGE,you have another % that wants a challenge and continued depth in the game.
I have seen the exact same changes take forth in FFXI/VANGUARD and EQ2.the player base are the ones who are causing it,as they are calling out the games as being HARDCORE[how many times we heard this?]SO what do you expect the developer to do?It really appears very obvious that there hands are tied and could NEVER please there entire player base.This couldn't be any more obvious as with the SWG game.Before the changes you had happy challenged oriented players but the others were crying hardcore.Please them then you step on the toes of the hardcore,neither SOE or anyone could possibly fix a divided player base.I might add the combat upgrade was not at fault either as most just couldn't accept change at first but soon the subs recovered to normal after they acted mature and accepted some change to a great game.
IMO it is very sad to realize,this game would have flourished if they just made it a very simplified structure from the beginning[AKA WOW] that way they wouldn't need to make changes for the babies that claim challenge=hardcore.This won't be the last game to go through this that is for sure.
To sum up the whole fiascal i would say the average SWG fanbois was spoiled.They had one hell of a game,i think even the non fanbois would agree to that,i know i am sold as to the over all design of the game.Just because of the NGE they chose to forget the rest of the game witch was areguably among the best out there.I think that is a fact is it not ,shown by the passion old pre NGE fans have shown?You should not criticsize SOE for they made a great game. If you want professions/unlocking dumbed down made easier,you better be full aware of the fact the game will need some structure changes to coincide.I am sure it was never designed to be like horizons,where every single player is a dragon or in this case a jedi.This game was forever evolving even with there added instances and player housing,any sensible person realizes change to a game after it evolves over time.
7/10 you did manage to get a few flames but really kinda phoned in the sarcasm. also spellcheck..do you use it?
How many hours per day do you play MMORPGs?