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• • so only 60 dat time codes now?

  • yes, there is only 60 day GTCs now.

  • Posted: 9/05/08 10:55 AM
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• • Objective Morality

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    Originally posted by Waterlily
    

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    Originally posted by nurgles

    to me that video was about how people perceive responsibility.
    switch, "i am responsible for use of this switch, and society will review how acted if i use or do not use the switch"
    fatman "if i push i end up with the responsibility, otherwise i am free of responsibility"
     
    

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    This was definitely a moral question in my eyes and is used as such by science. I think even when there would be 0 responsability and no one was around to see you push the person you would still have a very very hard time to do it, and a lot of people would not (like me when I reflect about it) be able to do it.
    That is your morality telling you what is wrong and what's not.

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    my emphasis is more on the switch situation. when everyone knows that you did choose, to act or not, it is a different situation.
    

  • Posted: 9/03/08 10:46 AM
    General Discussion
• • Objective Morality

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    Originally posted by CactusmanX
    

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    Originally posted by nurgles
    Absolute morality requires something that is omnicient to weigh the balance throughout all of time and all possible choices that something is good or evil.

    
     
    So if there were something omniscient that did that, how does that make morality objective?
    

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    as the omnicient being can codify a set of rules that have the 'best' outcome. the external omnicient being then creates an absolute morality for us. it is right and has no ambiguity because it is from outside of the universe from beginning to end.

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    Wouldn't the judgements of the omniscient thingy be its opinion?
    

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    it is outside of the process of opinion, it knows the outcome, the absolute truth.

    
    After all by what objective system would the omniscient thing be judging actions in the first place?[/quote]

    that a tricky one, i like it and am trying to find a nontrivial answer.
    i may come back to this but i seem to be running out of brain power.

    i also believe that there is no absolute morality so finding the motivation to defend a position i don't hold may never arrive..
    

  • Posted: 9/03/08 10:35 AM
    General Discussion
• • Objective Morality

  • to me that video was about how people perceive responsibility.

    switch, "i am responsible for use of this switch, and society will review how acted if i use or do not use the switch"

    fatman "if i push i end up with the responsibility, otherwise i am free of responsibility"

    Absolute morality requires something that is omnicient to weigh the balance throughout all of time and all possible choices that something is good or evil.

  • Posted: 9/03/08 10:10 AM
    General Discussion
• • sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll

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    Originally posted by unknown22
    
    what i really wanna know is...
    -why do you like it?
    

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    you have listed the illegal drugs, i have tried a bunch of them. Had a good time. Their effects are diverse and interesting.

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    Originally posted by unknown22
    
    or why do you hate it?
    

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    the underground cash economy which offers the biggest challenge to good people.

    
    

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    Originally posted by unknown22
    
    -do drugs enhance your gaming experience? or do they hinder it?
    

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    smoking a bit of pot can make gaming a bit more engrossing but otherwise recreational drugs are a social thing.

    
    

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    Originally posted by unknown22
    
    -should it be legalized? or should it be made illegal? or should it be kept the way it is?
    

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    Drugs should be regulated and the regulations for one kind of drug are simply not suitable for another kind. I would like a research based and well thought out regulatory approach based on harm minimization.

    I would like the issue of the underground cash economy to be be brought to fore. When a couple of police officers are looking at a case full of cash, you know they will be tempted.

    The impact of the other crimes in society is far more significant than an individual taking drugs. The need to steal to supply a habit. Infighting within the criminal organizations. Bribery and corruption.

    So in a way yes i would like them to be legalized, regulated, and have health and education support simply to lower crime and corruption.

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    Originally posted by unknown22
    
    -do you think the legal drugs pose more of a threat than the illegal ones?
    

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    tobacco killed three of my grandparents. Alcohol killed my father. Alcohol killed my step-mothers first husband. Alcohol is killing one of my brothers. Amphetamines are destroying another of my brothers life.

    more of a threat? That i can not really judge. do legal drugs and illegal drugs both offer significant damage to our society? Yes, absolutely.

    
    

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    Originally posted by unknown22
    
    -how do you feel about the "war on drugs"?
     

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    it is a slogan for an election. like "zero tolerance" or the "war on terror". There is simply no way these abstract statements can be successful.

    People will harm themselves in search of a good time (or even athletic success). People will lash out at innocents if they see they have no other way to achieve their desires. And under zero tolerance everyone is in prison.

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    Opium production in Afghanistan
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    Afghanistan is, as of March, 2008, the greatest illicit (in Western World standards) opium producer in the world, before Burma (Myanmar), part of the so-called "Golden Crescent". Opium production in Afghanistan has been a significant problem (or a significant business) for Afghanistan, especially since the downfall of the Taliban in 2001. Based on UNODC data, there has been more opium poppy cultivation in each of the past four growing seasons (2004-2007), than in any one year during Taliban rule. Also, more land is now used for opium in Afghanistan, than for coca cultivation in Latin America. In 2007, 93% of the opiates on the world market originated in Afghanistan.[1] This amounts to an export value of about $4 billion, with a quarter being earned by opium farmers and the rest going to district officials, insurgents, warlords and drug traffickers[2]. In the seven years (1994-2000) prior to a Taliban opium ban, the Afghan farmers' share of gross income from opium was divided among 200,000 families.[3]
    

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  • Posted: 9/03/08 9:41 AM
    General Discussion